Hot Toys GIGER ALIEN - Big Chap

[Sabres21768]

i just went out got a puppy, named it "hot toys alien figure" and beat the shit out of it ! 

 

[Dan]

The mouth is wac. Looks like some type of fish...The 1/4 bust has a better mouth, but even that is more Aliens lookin..



However...I'M STILL GETTIN IT!!! 

[the Reverend]

thats it .... im gona take orders for customizing ...resculpted skull /mouth/lips and repaint.... i'll do it cheeep too !

Posted on: July 18, 2009, 10:45:18 PM

LMAO 

Is it me - or does the front 8 inches of the head (from the skull forward) look more A3 than A1?

I'm by no means an Alien expert so this is just a gut call ......

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no your right its the same "under frame" as the ALIEN3  the same mouth and teeth just a different skull and rubber overlay

[Sabres21768]

If they don't change it, I may take you up on the "skull" customizing.  

Here's a quick Photoshop pic from CelticP, with smaller eye sockets:



And a Photoshopped pic by Devil:

[3dfuzion]

Oh my how retarded! That totally looks like crap! When did Hot Toys decide on making the Giger U.S. Godzilla ALIEN version? That doesn't even lead by design or example of the ALIEN movie. I wonder who gave the go ahead on this because they need glasses to see anything and are clueless on raw talent! The teeth suck, the skull sucks, The entire idea of hot toys not getting feedback, suggestions, board reviews before release is also the worst move in history! The teeth look like a malnutritioned amazon piranha/U.S. Godzilla ALIEN. As for the skull well let's just say one word calcium deficiency! To bad it's all over before it started....

[Eraserhead]

I'm sorry, but this thing looks awful. Not only is the head/dome off but the arms and legs are off as well. I'll pass.

[CAIN MKII]

I'd be really happy with it, if they'd just make the skull more "human".
To me, this looks like it birthed from one of the "Grey" aliens from a UFO somewhere.  

  you're so very true my friend.
And thank you for all the pictures. The photoshop mods looks way cooler.
Geez this alien do have the head of a eel and the teeth of USgodzilla.
For an anniversary piece, it's fooking laughable.
But I may have one (if not too expensive) and will ask les or reverend for mods.

[the Reverend]

If they don't change it, I may take you up on the "skull" customizing.  

Here's a quick Photoshop pic from CelticP, with smaller eye sockets:



And a Photoshopped pic by Devil:

wow... that looks friggin sick , great photoshoping

[Sabres21768]

One more Photoshopped pic from Devil.

Damn...THIS is what I wished it looked like.

I'd buy more than one.

[Xenodork79]

Well... shit. Very underwhelming indeed. The body sculpt is decent enough, but the hands suck and the head is FUGLY. What a shame. As usual, Hot Toys leaves me scratching my head, as a missed opportunity seems to greet us once more. They just amaze the hell out of me lately for all the wrong reasons. This could've been the final word on the '79 beast FOREVER, in terms of 1/6 scale accuracy and intensity. Instead we get this. WTF.

I can't help but want one anyway, though. It's a sickness that pretty much assures I must obtain all iterations of the original '79 monster. But still... I sense "bastard stepchild" syndrome setting in, as to how this one fits into my prized collection. Lower shelf. Facing the corner. In time-out. Forever. lol

I sort of get the "stylized" aesthetic they keep tooling around with, but hell - why on THIS!? Just do it right. I dig stylized sculpting in most cases, especially if the party responsible really seems to be aiming to reinvision the design in a way that works on its own (like the Takeya one, which is brilliant). But this feels like a trainwreck, IMO. The body sculpt screams of initial desired accuracy, while the rest seems like an "awww, eff it" approach took over with some silly re-tooling elsewhere. Primarily the head, of course. The whole "mean eye sockets" on the skull just seems like too much to me. The point of the skull's presence is the vague trace of humanity buried underneath the dome. That faint imprint of the host's underworkings that the Alien was birthed from. And as we know, true human skull eye sockets have a cold, indifferent arching and structure to them - not a forced "oooo, I'm PISSED and EVIL" look. Which is why the faint trace of it as such in Giger's original design is all the more appropriate and disturbing. It follows those parameters accordingly in its own intentions to achieve a haunting, subdued reminder of what the Alien comes from and why we fear it even more. Is that so hard to respect and achieve here?

Damn you, Hot Toys. You leave me COLD.

[CAIN MKII]

The whole "mean eye sockets" on the skull just seems like too much to me. The point of the skull's presence is the vague trace of humanity buried underneath the dome. That faint imprint of the host's underworkings that the Alien was birthed from. And as we know, true human skull eye sockets have a cold, indifferent arching and structure to them - not a forced "oooo, I'm PISSED and EVIL" look. Which is why the faint trace of it as such in Giger's original design is all the more appropriate and disturbing. It follows those parameters accordingly in its own intentions to achieve a haunting, subdued reminder of what the Alien comes from and why we fear it even more. Is that so hard to respect and achieve here?

  I second that!

[alien_tattoo]

  I'm still hoping that the head sculpt of this figure will be changed and that we are just seeing a prototype in these photos. Hot Toys did a really good job with the Alien 3 figure and I hope they step up and do the same with this one.
  I know they have some talented artists working for them. They can do awesome work on their "human" figures, when they have the license (which I don't think they had for Aliens, which explains the inaccuracy there). When I see the 1/6 figures for The Dark Knight especially, I am completely blown away by the figure's likeness to the actor.  In my opinion, Hot Toys is superior to Sideshow with their head sculpts. Every time I look at a Star Wars figure from Sideshow something just looks "off". But If you look at a Hot Toys figure of the Joker, it's just bloody amazing!
  So I am really puzzled by what's going on here with the "Big Chap".  I know the company has the talent to pull this off, but it isn't apparent here. It's not the best they can do. Right now, it's just "okay". And I really hope it gets better.   

 

[abake]

Hot Toys did a really good job with the Alien 3 figure and I hope they step up and do the same with this one.

You essentially lost all credibility right there... The A3 dragon is laughably inaccurate.
Cool figure, but nowhere near accurate.

Jeff (Wookster) got in touch with them (Hot Toys) and they said this was a prototype and that they would look into some of the complaints we voiced, we'll see... last time they said that they didn't change a single thing on the dragon.

[Eraserhead]

Yes, I hope they make the arms and legs film accurate. Am I the only one who notices they're off? No one else has mentioned it  

[demorathis]

it is obvious as with the GOdfather figure that they are capable of creating a screen accurate or as close to as screen accurate as the scale and skill will permit--

 i think the most important question is WHY they choose to create an artistic interpretation instead of an accurate representation -
is it not part of the license?
do they not have the proper references or source material?
i find it hard to believe they are incapable--

maybe they didn't choose the best man for the job? i think there's something else goin on...and i don't like it...

iPlease have Wookster email them the proper reference pics -- that wAY they don't have an excuse to f up...=)

i really REALLY want an accurate alien in 1/6 scale too =)

[Sabres21768]

Here's a copy of the questions that Wookster sent to Hot Toys and their replies:

OK, I asked HT about the figure, the answers are red, here's the replies-

1- Is that the final product that you have shown?
>>> Nope, we're still improving on it

2- People think these things need revision-

     A- Shape of eye sockets
>>> Will check

     B- Colour- too brown need to be greyer/blacker
>>> I've seen the proto, it is grey/black, no brown at all, it's because of the lighting.

     C- Shape of mouth is too open when relaxed.
>>> this is just the prototype, the articulation is still under development!

So, it looks like we can reast assured that it's being worked on!

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[altwcre666]

And that's how we are creating our own figure  ....   

[alien_tattoo]

We need to convince NECA that they should make their aliens in 1/6 scale. I'm sure those would sell great.

Great idea. You  lost all credibility right there. Yeah, get NECA to make it, then the figure could break apart when we try to pose it, if we could even assemble the thing...

You are missing my point...which is: these guys obviously have superior talent working for them that are capable of doing a more screen accurate sculpt than this.  

[Jamesways]

So so disappointed.  Yeah, I just don't get it either, it's like they tried to make the body somewhat accurate (despite some little things only fans like us would notice), but the head is just baffling. 

Like I said on the SS board, to call this the Movie Masterpiece Giger Alien is just wrong.  Either drop that title or attempt to match what we see on screen. 

Well, at least there's the Medicom. 

[Figuremaster Les]

One more Photoshopped pic from Devil.

Damn...THIS is what I wished it looked like.

I'd buy more than one.

Can those mods be done to a figure??? I plan on modding the mouth and skull and hands as best I can anyway.
Colors...not sure....depends on what they do. You all know, that brown/rust on the recent REAL shots of Giger's suit, is just old exposed latex. Even the filmalkers refer to that as does Giger. Occasionally, the paint rubbed off. By now, it has for sure. And HT is basing their color schemes on that? Weird! No one does research anymore. I have tons of books, and DVDs. It can be learned. DUH!
GREAT photoshopped work by the way! If only!

[Cenobite]

You all know, that brown/rust on the recent REAL shots of Giger's suit, is just old exposed latex. Even the filmalkers refer to that as does Giger. Occasionally, the paint rubbed off. By now, it has for sure. And HT is basing their color schemes on that? Weird! No one does research anymore. I have tons of books, and DVDs. It can be learned. DUH!
GREAT photoshopped work by the way! If only!

BINGO! What he said. And that Photoshop job looks spectacular.

- where's the HEEL SPURS? They were cast from some animal jawbones on the film suit.

- The skull looks a bit, uh, flat... like the air has been let out of it

- that hose coming from the jaw needs to be lower/ at the corner angle of the mandible, not halfway up. ;)

- The wrists look a bit too pronounced... they must pivot, but still.

[Xenodork79]

- The wrists look a bit too pronounced... they must pivot, but still.

Yeah, I know - lol. Looks like it's wearing a shirt right at the wrist joints - and the hands are emerging from the sleeves. Especially on the right arm, the way the hand is posed/turned.

[Sabres21768]

New pics from SDCC.

Honestly, even though it's not accurate, I really like the paint scheme.

If Hot Toys would just fix that wonky skull and hands I'd be cool with this.

But, I just know the paint is NOT going to look this good coming from the factory.











Thanks to THX-182 for the pics.

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Geez – OK – it’s official – “SDCC” obviously stands for "Sadly, Doesn’t Convince Customer”  

What a load of "missed the mark" stuff we've seen previewed so far.  The big boys may have the marketing and business sense but they sure don't have the style and delivery on vision.

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[the Reverend]

yeah the paints not that bad still gona repaint it but that friggin head 
 

[abake]

Great idea. You  lost all credibility right there. Yeah, get NECA to make it, then the figure could break apart when we try to pose it, if we could even assemble the thing...

You are missing my point...which is: these guys obviously have superior talent working for them that are capable of doing a more screen accurate sculpt than this.   

Well, I haven't had any issues with breakage on the NECA alien, although it's been well-documented that a lot of people did, and putting it together wasn't harder than putting the HT dragon together. But to your point of breakage, there's also been widespread reports of breakage with the HT Aliens figure, the dragon and some issues with the rubber on several of their figures. And we're talking 150 dollar figures vs. NECA's 40 dollar figure... I own a bunch of NECA and HT aliens, so I know what I'm talking about. Just wanted to put a little perspective into it.

And, to be quite honest, I'm still missing your point then...
I mean, we're all criticizing HT's lack of accuracy, not their sculpting inventiveness, so I fail to understand why bringing up the dragon -which is notoriously inaccurate- as proof of their superior talent makes sense. Here's what you said:
"these guys obviously have superior talent working for them that are capable of doing a more screen accurate sculpt than this"
What does that have to do with the dragon?
I seriously don't get it, sorry...
Posted on: July 23, 2009, 11:01:53 PMI made a list of inaccuracies spotted by all of us over at the Sideshow Freaks boards, let's see if I missed anything:

Hands: the sixth finger is wrong, it's actually a second thumb, not just another finger.

Arms: there is extra ribbing on the inside of the forearms which shouldn't be there.

Skull: the shape of the skull is wrong, it is way too "evil" looking and back slanting. It has to have a much more human look.

Dorsal Pipes: The fifth spike (upper center) looks wrong in shape.

Mouth: the teeth are the wrong shape and there's too much lips. The actual lips were translucent, so failing that, I would prefer no lips, especially the upper lip. Also, there is an extra tube coming out of the lower jaw, check the reference pics.

Shoulders: should have a more pronounced ribbed tubing on them, especially towards the front were the upper smooth side is a lot thinner.

Torso: the ribs end too soon, they should go further back.

Neck: it looks wrong, too wide and some of the detailing looks invented, but I can't really tell from the pics.

Hips: again, there seem to be extra tubes/ribbing that weren't there (on second thought, maybe it's not wrong, would have to get a better view)

Legs: fantastically wrong! Again there's ribbing on the inside of the calves, and as SS pointed out, what's with the muscle? Also, the three "bars" on the back of the leg (towards the ankle) look to be the wrong shape.

Feet: can't see much, but it seems they're missing the oxen jaws.

Tail: can't really see the shape, but it should be very flat at the base, getting rounder as it goes to the tip.

[alien_tattoo]

And, to be quite honest, I'm still missing your point then...
I mean, we're all criticizing HT's lack of accuracy, not their sculpting inventiveness, so I fail to understand why bringing up the dragon -which is notoriously inaccurate- as proof of their superior talent makes sense. Here's what you said:
"these guys obviously have superior talent working for them that are capable of doing a more screen accurate sculpt than this"
What does that have to do with the dragon?
I seriously don't get it, sorry...

Oh for the love of god...did you not even read  the rest of my post?

  "I know they have some talented artists working for them. They can do awesome work on their "human" figures, when they have the license (which I don't think they had for Aliens, which explains the inaccuracy there). When I see the 1/6 figures for The Dark Knight especially, I am completely blown away by the figure's likeness to the actor.  In my opinion, Hot Toys is superior to Sideshow with their head sculpts. Every time I look at a Star Wars figure from Sideshow something just looks "off". But If you look at a Hot Toys figure of the Joker, it's just bloody amazing!
  So I am really puzzled by what's going on here with the "Big Chap".  I know the company has the talent to pull this off, but it isn't apparent here. It's not the best they can do. Right now, it's just "okay". And I really hope it gets better."

[Heavy Metal Spike]

abake / alien_tattoo .... where is that "tug of war" icon when you need it ? 

PLEASE KEEP KEEPING IT RESPECTFUL GUYS   

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[CAIN MKII]

The shape of the dome is pretty nice from the side view.
I guess HT is better at human dolls than making an accurate alien.

[Xenodork79]

I guess HT is better at human dolls than making an accurate alien.

I think you're right. Too many missed opportunities now, IMO. They ain't got the magic in this dept., from all evidence so far. Compare this and other Alien sculpts to Dallas in the human sculpts (where the likeness was clearly approved - not Freddie Facehugged Mercury - lol). Nuff said.

And prototype or not, I tell you - the more they show this off, the less I really care for it. At all. I might even dare say if it's not greatly improved beyond this point in time, I might pass completely. Maybe I'm cured - lol.